Reversion to Bahasa Is a MEGA Mistake
Bring back PPMSI now!
So I heard that the cabinet is reverting back to Bahasa Malaysia as the medium for teaching math and science (vernacular school can revert to their mother tongue as well) . I think this is a huge mistake. Why? Now the poor students in the remote places (i.e Pos Dipang , Sandakan , Tawau , Ulu Setiu) in Malaysia can finally be learning math and science at a level playing ground just like their urban counterparts. Before this us rich upper middle class and above city dwellers have an unfair advantage over these poor lower class scums. Why must we the city people (with easy access to English reading material) care about these poor kampong people? If they can’t afford English books or watch regular English shows this is not our problem. It is not our fault that terrestial TV decided to only show BAHASA programme during prime time.Instead of showing quality English shows they decide to fill the 9-11 pm time slot with malay reality shows and dramas. Actually I ain't complaining. By flooding the free TV with malay shows, the TV stations are helping the dummification of their target audience. Now instead of learning how awesome Physics is from McGyver all the kids who watch MystarLG, Bintang RTM and Akademi Fulusia will only have aspiration to be singers. They will never want to be a doctor (after watching HOUSE) or a forensic scientist (after watching CSI).We the rich city dwellers intend to keep the wealth among ourselves thank you very much.
With PPMSI we pretty much make sure the poor kampong people will never be able to learn math and science the proper way. We also make sure we provide them with ill-trained teacher thus making the teaching even more impossible. By confusing these luar bandar children, we pretty much make sure the supply of next generation of factory workers will be inexhaustible. Deny them the ability to learn math and science and you pretty much confirm the availability of future minimum wage pekerja kilangs. If we allow teaching in BM, god forbid they might understand what were being taught to them. They may want to learn more and become enthusiastic about moving up the social ladder! Instead of being stupid in math, science and english subjects, they will only be “stupid” in only one subject (English). This will provide competition to our English speaking children. It is not a secret that the government lowered the A standard for math and science just to make sure the failed luar bandar people can at least pass their papers. What’s wrong with just failing them? Isn't the world all about survival of the fittest?
In China the central government pretty much segregated sections of the huge nation into various levels of importance. Places where the majority is NOT from the ethnic Han, the government will not try too hard to educate the populace. These people then will not be clever and educated enough to rise against the Han-centric central government. Just look at Malaysia now. The government provided good education to the people and what do they get in return? The educated Malaysian ends up rallying against the government and some even question the accepted version of history. We must stop this or the will be too educated to believe in the bullshit propaganda being shown on the telly. The poorly educated Chinese will end up as unskilled workers who would built the buildings, mine the coals, work in factory floors and become farmers for generations to come. Only an elite few will ever be given the best education. When the poor are kept poor they will work for peanuts! Why do you think everything is made in China nowadays The cost is cheap as hell due to the hiring uneducated workers with little or no skill. Thus the competitiveness of China's manufacturing plants will be perpetuated.The same can also be seen in India.
Since our PM just came back from China he should realise that the poor kampong folks like in Pahang, Kedah, Perlis, Kelantan, Sabah, Sarawak and Terengganu must be kept stupid. These people provide most of the working force in our factories. Don’t give them the chance to be able to love math and science! Using English will make sure they become frustrated and soon lose interest in studying altogether. As in China the will soon be the cheaper alternative compared to Indons, Nepalese and Banglas. This is why we must keep teaching with the elitist English language. Some must be denied the access to good education for the greater good of 1Malaysia. So please dear ministers. There is still time to flip flop and reinstate English as the teaching medium for math and science. Do it now Dato Seri Najib before Tun Mahaemo start acting up like a 2 year old with soiled Pampers.
p/s : Sarcasm is the recourse of the weak mind.











74 Comments:
At 1:54 AM,
kina said…
soooo true! nothng to comment... but ur sarcasm.. pergh! haha
At 2:28 AM,
mukhlisz said…
"Since our PM just came back from China he should realise that the poor kampong folks like in Pahang, Kedah, Perlis, Kelantan, Sabah, Sarawak and Terengganu must be kept stupid."
i am actually slightly offended by this. feels bad man.. :(
At 3:27 AM,
rsyazwani said…
sarcasm is stupid.
coz not everyone will get it,
why cant u just say things like how you actually, really, meant them.
:|
i agree with bringing the lessons back in Malay. it made more sense. well not everyone can learn/master other language as good as some of us... if you understand the concept / the giest of it.. it's easier to transfer / translate the knowledge into some other languages, rather than trying to understand something in a language you dont understand really well in the 1st place.
Many of us studied math and science in Malay, but guess what? in the end, we arent that stupid in math or science for that matter,,,
At 5:18 AM,
BlackHowling said…
This is true. I myself lived in Pahang, and i can confirm u this that from where i'm living in, they're pretty much way slower than any of the students from the big cities and states (not counting the science school) in being independent thinking, let alone speaking in English! I'm pretty shocked when i hear the news, and i'm sad that the ministers didn't think this thoroughly. When i came back to meet my hometown pals they have no idea what is an ipod, what's internets, and other technological stuff that was like norm to the city boys. Touche' on this post.
(its freaking 5.17am here so my thoughts is a bit jumbled up, but u get my point on this matter!)
At 6:49 AM,
zulhardy said…
sarcasm is our nation, eh tu procrastination.
hanya najib sahaja yang mampu memastikan semua rumpun - rumpun bangsa kita bersatu demi menentang unsur - unsur yang sentiasa ingin menyaksikan negara kita jatuh tersungkur.
lihat bagaimana dengan terang - terang semasa debat presiden indonesia, ada di antara pendebat mengajak rakyat indonesia mengangkat senjata menentang kita jika ambalat juga jatuh ke tangan kita. kita tidak mampu untuk berdepan dengan mereka jika kita tidak bersatu. najib mampu lakukan nya.
konsep 1malaysia najib membolehkan kita belajar untuk hidup bersama rumpun - rumpun bangsa lain di negara serba kaya ini.
tindakan untuk kembali mengajar sains dan ilmu hisab dalam bahasa melayu satu tindakan yang di ambil hasil pemikiran bijak penuh kritis dan rasa bertangungjawab datuk perdana menteri kita.
tahniah najib, 1 malaysia, 1 wawasan, 1 bicara, 1 sasaran ...
:P
At 7:59 AM,
SHiDi said…
For me, it was a huge mistake to reinstate Math & Science in Malay.
It could be easier for those kids when they're in school. However it will only cause problems and confusions when they're in college.
All terms are in English, especially when you're doing I.T and Engineering. Been learning all those terms in Malay and all the sudden they're now in English, that would only cause confusion. Some might able to catch up, no doubt, but most doesn't.
Been there, I know how suck it was.
At 8:01 AM,
dehaq said…
dude, you really meant this?
At 8:25 AM,
nachts said…
dudes, it's sarcasm! laugh/grin then move on laa~ XD
alaa, bukannya penting sgt blajo maths/science dlm BI pun.. ataupun dlm bahasa mana2 pun.. yg penting student tu paham subjek yg diajo..
kalau cikgu pun merangkak nak terangkan kat murid2 dia masa mengajo dlm BI, camne la bebudak tu nak blajo, tak?
whoops, i misspelled my name in the shoutbox ;P
At 8:36 AM,
funaki said…
i is never clever at bahasa english and sains in watever bahasa. maybe too dumb or lazy. only pandai at ilmu hisap, u can ask my girlfren.
At 8:44 AM,
Dils said…
There are a lot of people against PPSMI, even the educated ones.
They recognize that the students in rural area have a weaker understanding of English, tapi solution nye: ajar dalam BM untuk naikkan gred exam?
Well, thats our so called educated people in the politics. Pikir short term solution aje. Where's the long term one?
At 9:14 AM,
pjahzm said…
well well... we r certainly moving backwards..... hughhhhh...
y dont these people think of a solution ... i meant a real solution... if they think the rural cant master the english... starts it as early as kindergarden... Get those cikgu2 tadika to start 'teaching' bukanya ajar nyanyi lagu or buat ntah hape2 in classes... Kids from cities dont have problem coz they start learning everything in english...
aku dulu after finish kat boarding school, masuk KPP, pergggh, penin beb... I end up with track 2 students... kena amik english course 2 yrs baru boleh fly... So i dont want this to happen to my kids... no... its a waste of 2 yrs...
Whatever it is... i like the way you put it... only certain people can realy read between the lines...
At 9:18 AM,
Obefiend said…
PJAHZM
the key here is the POOR ENGLISH TEACHING. why didnt they just revamp the syllabus for english aje instead of math and science pun kena godek. i sympathise on what you went through but teaching m&s in science is not the solution either.
DILS
the problem is wanting to naikkan the level of english. as many academician and ex teachers will tell you, you dont suddenly teach math and science in english to fix that. you revamp the syllabus and then add english lit like Shakespeare or Dickens. PPMSI was implemented within 6 month of it being announced. if that is not rushed i don't know what is. A new breed of teachers must first be trained fully in english to make sure the quality is there. as said by some commentator here, some teachers cant even speak in english. how can they be an effective teacher if they cant even string 2 sentences together?
yes. i am against PPMSI.. LOL
FUNAKI
no..
NACHTS
yes sir.. that is my concern as well ever since PPMSI was implemented. i never swayed from that view. thank god they finally see the folly of PPMSI. a bit too late but at least they try to ractify the mistake
DEHAQ
sarcasm my dear.......sarcasm....
SHIDI
kamu hanya mengalami masalah bila di uni. di menara gading. tapi kamu sudah ada basic dalam bahasa melayu cuma perlu hafal the english termninologi sahaja. that prolly take you 4 months to get your bearings right masa di uni. kan? kejap je dah get used to it. kalau tak mampu nak buat tu baik jgn masuk uni! tak layak la kalau terminologi pun tersedak!
bayangkan anak kecil anak orang asli di hutan Belum. baru masuk darjah 1 sudah tak paham matematik kerana semuanya dalam english. bukan terminologinya malahan apa yang dicakapkan teacher pun dia blur
see what i mean?
kerana nak mudahkan transisi UNI kamu korbankan masa depan anak kecil tak berdosa. itu masalah kamu
kalau kamu cukup bijak dan ada otak tak akan ada problem nak belajar dalam english atau bm. alih bahasa dalam otak aje
like me
i think in english ALL THE TIME. but i can still understand malay terminologies and vice versa.
but hey.. semua orang ada opinion sendiri. i respect that
ZUL
bukan patut terima kasih dan syabas pada Kak Ros ke?
BLACK
tipu.. pahang negeri maju! semua pandai omputeh macam tok ti! KEKEKEKEKE
RAJA
+67 internets fo you... sarcasm is needed pasal ianya tidak preachy dan i usually get good reactions from you readers with my caustic
sarcasm.
MUKHLIZ
sorry pal....but that sentence was written simply as a troll bait..
KINA
being sarcastic is my facourite passtime. that is why i am such an ahole!
At 9:54 AM,
miyuki said…
agreed wit u obi..but as far as i know, sabahan's english is good than others ;)
At 9:56 AM,
z a t i said…
To rsyazwani
Simply said it's not just about to understand what we already have now in science/technology etc..
Not just about translating what this orang2 putih have zillion years ago..fyi yang alih bahasa semua tu kerja ahli bahasa bukan ahli sains.. so..do u think ahli bahasa yg tak mengerti sains boleh alih bahasa sains yang definitely not just about "bahasa" untuk teknologi sains tahap tinggi?mungkin takat2 lvl sains math peringkt sekolah boleh la diorg terjemah. sampai bila kita nak jadi bangsa/negara yg belajar benda yg diterjemah dgn terjemahan yg terbatas?perkembangan teknologi adalah setiap minit setia saat dan tak mungkin ahli bahasa kita terkejar nak translate semuanya on time..because in the future we hope our generation will be leader/inventor in these field.. bukan lagi sekadar pengguna teknologi macam generasi kita sekarang.Tak ada sapa kata perlaksanaan benda ni senang..tapi, apa salahnya bersusah2 dahulu sekarang untuk generasi tahun2 mendatang.
lain la kalau sapa2 boleh mai konferm kat aku kiamat tahun depan.
So, tak payah la kita bersusah payah untuk future.
At 9:57 AM,
Obefiend said…
i love how people debate in calm orderly manner here
keep it up..
At 9:58 AM,
Ara said…
luckily 'perak' is not in the list... or else i'll have to forge ur eyes out! haha~ ;p
At 10:22 AM,
DBMY said…
Instead of bitching about Science & Maths in English, why not make Form 4 and Form 5 as preparatory classes for college?
Introduce critical thinking, show them cool things like old school music pre 21st-century and show some classic Malay and Western movies, and make students question our history as well as having Economics, Commerce and History in English. Just look at first semester students in Malaysian colleges, and you'll see the dunguness of most students and they will be like that until the 3rd semester which makes it impossible to get a 3.0 or above GPAs.
And talking about ethnicities in your article, have you heard on FOX News about how Americans have alzheimers because they marry other "species" and "ethnics" unlike the Swedes and the Finns. I lol's so hard:
http://gawker.com/5310208/brian-kilmeade-would-like-species-and-ethnics-to-remain-pure
At 11:09 AM,
Pepper said…
"I think this is a huge mistake. Why? Now the poor students in the remote places (i.e Pos Dipang , Sandakan , Tawau , Ulu Setiu)"
I never know that my hometown (Tawau) is so remote and Sabah is so kampong....lol
but yeah, since they revert back to BM, they better come up with something much much better than that easy-to-score-no-particular-purpose EST subject.
At 11:20 AM,
the 11th alphabet said…
this act is just another populist act.
if both this subject are to be taught in bm, tamil and mandarin why cant they make room for english?
mesti la boleh kan kan kan.
let the student choose what kinda language they want to taught in. vernacular school should include english medium school apart from the chinese and indian school.
do not discriminate the english speaking citizen. they have as much right as any other chinese or indian.
At 11:47 AM,
dehaq said…
obe, my comment was a sarcasm too. hahaha!
At 12:02 PM,
nachts said…
mmg best kalau ada pilihan.. tapi yg tu bergantung kepada permintaan dan tenaga pengajar yg ada..
rasanya, kalau kat bandar besar, kemungkinan nak cari cikgu2 yg boleh mengajar Math/Science dlm BI tu lebih mudah berbanding pinggir/luar bandar..
tapi bese la org2 politik ni (so called govt. and opposition).. segalanya hitam putih!.. takde langsung kompromi ttg apa yg terbaik utk anak2 kita..
haih, teringat aku kat anak buah yg akan amik UPSR tahun depan.. mak bapak dgn mentaliti subsidi (peg. kump. A, semua k'jaan akan uruskan), jadi walaupun pemahaman konsep matematik dia kurang, takde sapa yg peduli macamana nak dipertingkatkan.. mak dia mmg la tak pandai BI, bapak dia pulak sibuk dgn kerja.. lagi slack la budak tu!
sepatutnya budak tu sentiasa ada org yg dia boleh jadikan rujukan utk tolong dia.. kalau cikgu sekolah pun dah terlebih beban, dia boleh cari org lain.. kalau math/science dlm BM, mungkin mak dia boleh tolong sikit2..
nak suruh pegi tuisyen? bapak/makcik2/pakcik dia tak pegi tuisyen, ok je.. jadi bapak dia nak sgt hantar dia tuisyen? duit lagi..
sepatutnya, mengajar anak ni bukan utk cari apa yg terbaik utk anak tu di masa depan dgn menggadaikan apa yg ada sekarang, tapi memastikan anak tu ada masa depan tanpa menggadaikan apa2 yg tak perlu digadaikan/perlu dikekalkan skrg!
At 2:21 PM,
SYZWN said…
i is agree wit ur entree.i nid to learn inglish properly.brink bak PPSMI.sori for my bad written grandmar.i shall..invisible.
At 2:24 PM,
teraniaya said…
kerajaan babi time aku buat BI sia2 je anak haram punya kerajaan! penat2 aku belajar! ini tak adil
At 2:26 PM,
Anasfadilah said…
ini semua agenda politik
kesian anak bangsa
sad*
At 3:09 PM,
Obefiend said…
DILA
sobs....
TERANIAYA
mana ada belajar penat. kerajaan tidak babi. policy makers yang kurang buat reserach yang salah. implementation yang silap tempoh hari. stop gap punya solution. last last rosak budak luar bandar pasal tenaga pengajar lagi teruk dari tenaga pengajar akademi fantasia!
WAN
u is inglish veli gud wat..
NACHTS
i think we have 2 groups here. the educated malaysian who thinks english is TEH SEX. the other group is educated malaysian who thinks the PPMSI we have now was badly thought out and implemented.
both side are right and wrong at the same time.
the question is should be continue a failed experiment just for the sake of appeasing the upper middle class city folks?
last time i checked the majority of malaysian live outside of town. these are the people being LEFT OUT and NEGLECTED due to the flaws in PPMSI
the reversion to me is YET ANOTHER stop gap decision while they think of a better solution
stop the rot.......thats what i want to see. if it means reverting to bahasa malaysia, tamil and mandarin so be it
why do peope automatically think this is only applicable to SRK or SMK only?
SRJK and SMJK can now teach in their mother tongue also! last time i checked the greatest opposition to PPMSI back then was from vernacular schools and not SMK/SRKs.........
DEHAQ
sarcasm 404 on your post dawg
PEPPER
compared to KL i mean. tawau is kampung. its relative. just as KL is kampung compared to say....DUBAI
hahahahahah
DBMY
good idea.. i like the whole crtical thinking shit. also i think we should make discussion compulsory instead of hafal and regurgitate. need to make them voice oit opinion.
ARA
perak area bota and beruas is kampung..
but i love perak. especially papan and tronoh. so rustic!
At 4:42 PM,
kina said…
shidi
"It could be easier for those kids when they're in school. However it will only cause problems and confusions when they're in college"
are u serious?
but if dari skolah lagi dah xminat sains n math disebabkan xfaham, do u tihnk they would further in these fields?
also, there'll be NO problem when they're in college or uni. seriously no. the only problem they'll encounter maybe to speak and also write in english. to understand what the lecturers are talking about, NO problem at all.
saya pun blajar dulu dalm bm. msk matrix, ok jek. some people ada la masalah skit utk speaking in bi kan, also grammar maybe xbrape btul kan.. but who cares? yang penting faham. n time jawab exam boleh jawab. as long as the message is delivered, the answers are correct, lecturers xde nye nak tolak markah sebab grammmar salah. ada kawan saya chinese yang memang xboleh nak speaking tapi boleh jek jadi top student!
i'm not dat good either and see, i'm speaking rojak! hehe
At 5:16 PM,
emoS said…
well, some of the ministers pun english terabur gak.
dulu2 masa aku sekolah rendah, ada la bulan bercakap english...sebulan tu kat sekolah kene cakap english...kalo tak, kene denda ngan mawas.
anyway, teaching math and science in english ain't gonna change anything if those kids takde mood nak study.
tp btul as you said, improper method and medium of teaching english. Chegu2 bahasa ingris tu kene buat something nak pupuk minat bahasa ingris.
At 5:42 PM,
skystrike said…
i loled at the current student....they just a white mouse...lol..
At 6:31 PM,
alief said…
lol kenapa begitu sinis?
There are several seperate issues when we discuss about PPSMI. Often we jumbled everything into one, and come out with the famous 'globalization' term into conclusion.
Everyone keep emphasizing on the importance of english on and on. But they forgot they brought science and math into it which has nothing to do with proficiency in English,(except majority reference material were written in english). Math and science does not belong to english people.
New discovery in science is new discovery in language. Science can be found anywhere in the world. Let us focus on the english language as the main problem and why not fix that problem first.
-ruffstuff
At 6:40 PM,
Genjo_Sanzo said…
Yes, kampung people must remain stupid in education. As for the government, instead of raising the education quality for the kampung people higher (with BM or English), the government should focus on manipulating the kampung people's specialty in ASSASSINATION.
Yes, train them to be assassins. Why? Because it's in their blood! Main gasing, kasi pangkah gasing orang. Main congkak, kasi tembak. Main baling selipar, kasi musnah binaan selipar. Main konda kondi, kasi pukul. Tangkap ikan, kasi tuba. Buru binatang, kasi snipe guna sumpit.
In that way, they can be hired to kasi letup itu orang (not just Mongolians, but others as well) instead of using government people. Should they don't like other leaders from other parties, they can hire these assassins to terminate them from being in their way.
The advantage is that the government can keep their hands clean since the one doing those 'missions' are the assassins, just like the paramilitary of the Serb in Bosnia.
However, I agree with the government to use back BM in science and math. Why? Since those assassins when they wanna make their own bomb in their mission, they will use BM to shop in local hardware shops anyway. LOL~!!
"Boss, ada jual TNT tak?"
"Ada.. Berapa lu mau?"
"10 batang cukup maa.."
"Orait.. 100 linggit saja.."
"Thank you.."
"No ploblem.. Lain kali datang lagi lorr.."
See? The only words used in English are just "thank you" and "no problem"..
LOL~!!
At 9:18 PM,
rean said…
Tapi, kesian tetiba tukar dari bahasa inggeris ke bahasa melayu.
kesian adik aku. penat2 dia belajar dalam term bahasa inggeris tetiba exam dalam bahasa melayu...
adeihlaa~
well, i don't care what they wanna do, as long as it's not too suddenly... and no maintenance..
take it nice and slow la~
At 10:40 PM,
Anasfadilah said…
cuba belajar biology dalam bahasa malaysia adalah sangat susah tau keee~~
At 11:02 PM,
Dils said…
Not saying that the PPSMI is a brills idea, but its a step toward improvement.
If you start early even from standard 1 teaching at least 1 other subject in English, Maths or Science it should be ok. Memang la disadvantage untuk mereka yang tak kena ajar "Jack and Jill went up to the hill" dari parents masa die org umo 3 tahun, but young mind supposedly picked up language fast. So start em young, dari biar je die orang bile kena interview, sengih2 macam kera sumbang bile orang cakap English.
Meaning, another solution should be in place. Like it or not, English is medium language you need to know especially if you want to get ahead in education and business.
Teacher not prepared? Well, itu gunanye die orang amik graduate dari Uni uni yang supposedly bijak pandai in English? Atau its a case of too little efforts too late?
At 11:04 PM,
the 11th alphabet said…
@anasfadilah
susah ke? back in my good old SPM i learn biology in english and answer in BM during SPM.
my biology teacher (50+ at that time) learn his trade in the good old queen's english.
but we the students move along well. and most of us got either A1 or A2 (old spm grade yeah, ask obe he knows about it n how old are we really now haha)
At 11:13 PM,
alief said…
@Dils
kan masalahnya sama jugak kan. Bahasa ingeris. Apa kena mengena matematik dgn sains pulak? Kalau sebut pasal business, kenapa tak ekonomi dan prinsip akaun di bahasa inggeriskan juga? Kalau selesai masalah bahasa inggeris, takde masalah stuendet bila masuk U nak buat translation sendiri dgn terminologi. Kalau itu pon tak pandai, banyak mengeluh tak payah masuk U.
-ruffstuff
At 11:27 PM,
Marissa said…
PPPSMI bukan gagal kerana ketidak upayaan anak-anak, tidak kiralah di bandar atau di ceruk kampung.
PPSMI gagal kerana guru yang menolak perubahan. Kerana guru yang gagal menguasai Inggeris. Kerana guru situasi mereka amat kritikal.
Ambil elaun, tapi tidak mengajar dalam kaedah yang sepatutnya.
At 11:40 PM,
nachts said…
interesting kan? if i recall, SUQIU were the ones who objected pasal PPSMI first.. pasal derang tu cina, puak2 Umno ni la yg bantai derang pasal benda2 gini.. of course, the typical Pas attitude would be in opposition (similar to SUQIU's), which was also dismissed by the Umno folk, but with less fervor than on SUQIU..
actually, PPSMI isn't only about teaching the subjects in english, but also the effective means of dispensing the subject matter to the students..
if you look at the resources available (teachers, teaching materials, time, auxiliary support from extra classes and level of exposure to the language/opportunity for students to immerse themselves on the subjects), even a rough evaluation (lulz, initially i wanted to use 'coarse evaluation', so malay of me! x) of the options we have would put PPSMI as less than viable..
where would you put the teachers who've learnt their subject matter in malay/respective vernacular language? retrain them? what if they've been teaching from the 80s when we stopped having english streams in our schools, expect them to switch modes from the vernacular to english overnight? kids are receptive learners, but adults (the older they get) have a harder time to pickup new things!
sure, you can get new teachers in, but would that be enough?
i must admit, this flip flop would probably not solve all problems, but it would remedy some flaws introduced by PPSMI..
but the thing about our politicians, with regards to deciding what's best for the people, can't see past the next general election...
govt spending, on the other hand... xP
At 11:57 PM,
Obefiend said…
NACHTS
good points sir.. good points especially the "older not so receptive" POV
exactly..
there is also another BIG difference from teh 80's.. i.e MINE and NACHTS generation
back then ada FREE TV PENDIDIKAN.. sekarang mana ada! kena subscribe astro dulu. nelayan ada duit nak astro? orang asli ada duit nak astro? anak petani cameron highland ada astro?..
we now let CORPORATION take over TVP!! DUMB SHIT! i LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the BING and BONG English show on TVP
remember the theme song?
"learning english is lotsa fun.. havin fun..blabla with english on TV"..
instead of bukak TV ada katun, astro, @15 and other shit we only have TVP untuk entertain us then. WE WATCH THAT SHIT BECAUSE we have nothing on telly
so we 80's oldfags ada those shows to learn english despite the MALAY STREAM dulu!
plus.. TV malam sah series mat saleh. i used Mcgyver as an example.
buka tv skang. malam ada apa? rancangan melayunya kalau bukan NYANYI ialah rancangan HANTU MOMOK..
mana nak ada minat inggeris
tambah lagi.. DULU BUKU MURAH. ladybird 3 ringgit je. sekarang cuba carik buku inggeris 3 ringgit. bak mai sini
so in a way THE DEGRADATION of english in malaysia is no DOWN SOLELY on the failed education system. the external elements that use to teach us juga sudah NON EXISTENCE. no TV pendidikan, no english shows and no affordable english reading material..
buat la PPMSI sampai kiamat pun if outside of teh class punya factor still macam SEKARANg its useless sial!
rant over.. nachts wins!
MARISSA
aku rasa that is one of the point yang aku tulis diatas. guru yang mengajar ill equipped untuk mengajar mengakibatkan anak yang suffer
kalau guru ajar dah berterabur apa jadi pada anak murid
macam kungfu la.. kalau master pun tak power bole ke menang pertandingan kung fu sedunia macam dalam dragoball?
HAHA
ALIEF
good points........ this is one of the argument forwarded by the ketua of Dewan Bahasa Pustaka
apa hanya pelajar science stream aje kah yang WORTHY nak belajar dalam BAHASA INGGERIS
art stream bodoh dungu sampai kena stay in melei?
is that the hidden message?
K
adik aku amik biotek di UMS. so dia maksudkan belajar REAK BIO not SPM bio. so i think she knows more about DNA and subdural cell structure of a cancerous nymph or what shit!
LOL
DILS
i see your point but what happened EARLIER on was this
cikgu aliran BM dipaksa mengajar dalam BI overnight under short notice.
now we finally ada teachers from ENGLISH STREAMS but they came in too late to stem rot!
god knows what would happen if we let them do their job. i guess the cabinet had enough and pulled the plug before failure is no longer able to be covered?
DILA
baca komen pada K abang..
REAN
kamu blaja medic di indo apa bahasa perantinya? inggeris atau bahasa indonesia
ada beza?
ada masalah?
need to hear from you on this..
GENZO
dalam sangat.. brain hurts. especially after argue dengan cheertards kat entry bawah ni..
ALIEF RUFF AGAIN
dude.. nods head..
SKYSTRIKE
ur england so nais one leh..i rike
EMOS
nak pupuk camne kalau bahan bacaan MASIH MAHAL MACAM HARAM!
KINA
+3 internet.. my sentiment exactly. semua penyokong PPMSI selalu gunakan argument "what if kat kolej nanti?"
they forgot that kalau dari darjah satu dah tak minat MATH and SCIENCE nak masuk UNI apa? tak layak pun. PMR ntah ntah sains dapat D je. nak masuk uni apa?
this is clearly a case of wishful thinking that THEY WILL BE LAYAK ENOUGH to enter college after 11 years in school
kalau dari awal dah mati api minat math and science lupakan ajelah kolej.. serious. this is also one of the problem i have with the "college nanti senang" argument.
At 12:27 AM,
rean said…
Effs,
i'm learning medic in English. but we prefer the lecturers to explain in Indonesian. it's easier for them to talk, and easier for us to understand.
oh, some lecturers have very good English proficiency, some, they honestly admitted to us, their proficiency is bad. so these lecturers gave us lectures in Bahasa Indonesia. strangely, we all understand the topics better, maybe because the lecturers are more comfortable talking in language he/she familiar with, and has no problem voicing their ideas.
anddd.. those with terrible english proficiency, but still want to try to talk in english.. well, we cannot help but praise their effort, and try our best to understand WHAT THE HELL is he/she trying to say (muscle is pronounced as "muskel".. wtf...) *facepalm* i usually sleep during these lectures.
let's not talk about lecturers with good grasp of the language. they speak with american accent. real cool, actually.
anyways.
i honestly think, it doesn't matter about the language. i mean, i flip english and indonesian back and forth while studying.. the most important thing is, you have to be able to deliver the message (for the teachers) and understand the concept (for students).
the terms might be different, but in the end, it's still the same thing... understanding the concept is the main point. how do you get the students to understand it, it doesn't matter, as long as you get it.
all in all, i kinda object PPSMI. not only most students don't have good grasp on english, it isn't even a sure fire they'll understand maths and science in Bahasa Melayu.
if they can't get it while being explained in language they are familiar with, what makes you think they'll get it when they learn it in a language they're not used to?
*this comment is tl:dr..
At 12:35 AM,
Obefiend said…
REAN
thanks for that. it is not TLDR. its eye opening and filled with infos. always wanna know how they do it in indonesia. they are proud of their BI (bahasa indonesia ya pak!)..
i once spoke to an indo friend
"why malay like to talk in english.. no pride in bahasa malasia?"
" not that we have no pride.. we just have low self esteem after years of dijajah.. plus english is deemed trendier"
hahaha
thanks again. that gave me good insight on education in indonesia!!
At 12:39 AM,
the 11th alphabet said…
ah i see, thanks for the clarification.
At 1:45 AM,
nachts said…
saje nak bagi nasik tambah~! XD
an anecdote that i can relate to you with regards to my nephews.. as we here have astro, so they'd be tuning in to the Fun package block whenever they come back for the holidays.. and one of the first things they'd do after switching to Nick/Disney/CN: change audio track to BM.. >.<
tviq lagi la tak sentuh..
TVP dulu2 mmg best.. sbb aku ni taik TV, TVP mungkin benda positif yg mempersediakan aku sebelum masuk sekolah rendah lagi.. pernah sekali masa tukar2 cenel tu (manual tau, mana ade remote dulu daa.. alaa, 3 punat aje pun [RTM1,RTM2,TV3]), kat TVP nampak dia yg ada dua Muhammad dlm namanya! yes, ladies and gents, THAT person was a teacher on TVP!
i can't recall the theme to the Bing and Bong english show on TVP, but i can still remember their getup: two clowns, one lanky with a cool funky hat, the other much heavier set.. i wish i can recall more! an audio clip may jog my memory though.. ;P
people who say color TV is superior than black and white has never watched TVP in the 80s! xD
At 5:26 AM,
Anonymous said…
its depend la....im having a stomak headeshhh....thats mean....are you okays....winni the pok oh..will be often heard in the next 20 years..
In terms of significant improvement in the achievements of people in our country according to time frame, i believe generation x is the best. So why not revert back to the old old old old system and make it gel in with the present day...but the government must let it gel abit LONGER for it to happen...not keep on changing systems within short term. How will the children adopt to this and prosper if they keep on flipping this shit up??
..haih politicking is really farking up everything these days
At 11:03 AM,
Sayuti said…
kalu isu ppsmi ni, aku cuma teringat zaman sekolah dulu aku ada masuk koir sempena minggu bahasa. nyanyi lagu "gunakanlah bahasa kebangsaan kita, marilah amalkan ramai-ramai"
At 11:15 AM,
Obefiend said…
SAYUT
bahasalah menyatukan kita semua. yakinlah bahasa jiwa bangsa
di UK sekarang ada masalah besar. penduduk migrant yang tak tahu berbahasa inggeris bertambah. kerana nakkan VOTES kerajaan sanggup biaya sekolah vernakular at the expense of making the migrant children command of english menjadi sampah
bahasa malaysia for malaysian. as a malaysian kita selalu kutuk indonesia pasal kononnya diorang suck ass
tapi tengok indonesian dan bangganya diorang dengan bahasa indo..
terasa suck pulak dengan malaysian yang pandang taik dengan bahasa malaysia!
ANON
the main problem with politicking is they will do what's popular instead of what is right. i think the PPMSI was a POPULIST move in 2003 to pander the english speaking lobbyist.
now that its been proven to be a failure i think its GOOD to revert back to Bahasa Malaysia
if it didnt work why prolong it?
NACHTS
i learn how to use "much", "many" using a song from TVP
"how many buses are there in the city.. how much money do they take.. how many people travel in buses how much money do they pay.. how much rubber how many minutes how much time"
sounds like a stupid song but that helped alot in untangling the confusion using MUCH and MANY
oh yes.. black n white.. uncle BING dah mati but uncle Bong is alive albeit with diabetes!
love them clowns!
haha.. track bahasa melayu.. facepalm. in the 80's transformer mana ada BM track. just 5 years ago i saw english cartoon in TV3 with malay subs
DAAAAAAAAAYUM!!
this is the problem that contributed to the decline. as we all know nak learn language kena submerge yourself in it. kalau setakat 5 jam seminggu in class it will never be learnt properly! lebih lebih lagi conversational english which i must say WASNT EVEN TOUCHED OR TOUGHT in school back then.
K
hai there.. popcorn?
At 4:51 PM,
els said…
this is actually simple. nothing's too complicated. i thought those people are smart enough to come up with a simple solution as this, but i supposed i overestimated their level of intelligence, if they have any that is.
start early, as early as in standard one. and let them progress n bloom from there. why the hell did u wanna start it four or five years later after their tongues have been heavily influnced by a language they have grown so accustomed to over these years? of course la tak boleh nak terima. holy mother of god, is that too much for u self-righteous people (supposedly..) to comprehend?? idiots. pfft!
At 5:24 PM,
Shira-chan said…
When teaching Science and Mathematics in English was first implemented, they simply didn't have the teachers. The teachers themselves had been taught in Malay, so how the heck did the government expect them to be able to teach in English?
And now that they're switching back to Malay from English, will those aspiring teachers have trouble teaching in Malay what they were taught in BM?
I think it doesn't matter either way what language Science and Maths are taught in, just STICK TO ONE. It's really confusing, and in the end it's we, the products of our country's messed up education system, who will suffer.
On the other hand, I don't think Science and Maths in English is the best way to improve command of English in the first place. Science and Maths doesn't help you with grammar, sentence structure, vocabulary (except for technical terms), etc. Clearly, the quality of our ENGLISH syllabus itself is sorely lacking. Not enough emphasis is being placed on the subject itself!
So rather than fussing over Maths and Science, I suggest we think of more creative ways to emphasize the importance of fluency in English to the younger generations, as well as improve the syllabus. I agree with you, not enough English language programs, educational or otherwise, are being aired on mainstream telly!
At 6:49 PM,
Jard The Great said…
ahaha.. love reading the comments here!
At 7:03 PM,
Anonymous said…
ak tak rasa budak2 seperti di terengganu adalh lembab..terengganu memegang rekod cemerlng upsr 7 tahun berturut turut..
pada tahun lepas shj terengganu menggunguli hampir kesemua peperiksaan awam..
jika saudara membuat lebih researh, kualiti pendidikan di terengganu adalh jauh lebih baik dari negeri2 lain..
di tadika kanak2 di sudah diajar membaca alquran dan sebelum memasuki sekolah rendah sudah ramai yang khatam al-Quran..pada tahun lpas seramai 12000 knk2 khatam alquran pada umur 5-6 tahun..ia juga selari dengan pendikan yg lain termasuk pembelajaran bahasa english..
program tahfiz belum lagi dijelaskn..sekolah2 tahfiz diterengganu merupakan sekolah yg mengandungi pelajar terbaik dgn akhlak2 terbaik..untuk memasuki sekolah ini, mereka haruslah mendapat straight a's dalam upsr dan pmr serta haruslah ikhlas dan tidak dipaksa oleh ibubapa mrk..
kesemua pelajar2 mereka sudah mampu menghafal 30 juzuk alquran..cuba saudara lawati sekolah2 tahfiz sayu perasaannya melihat anak2 muda mengaji dgn tekun dan ikhlas..cuba lihat di bandar2 lain anak remaja mereka..masyaallah..bayangkn jika mereka menjadi seorang doktor sudah pasti mereka melakukan solat hajat dahulu sebelum mmbuat pembedahan..
saya merupakn seorang pelajar dan mmpunyai ramai kwan2 dari negeri2 yg dikatakn maju..hampir kesemuanya melupakan solat dalam kehidupn harian mereka..
dan bersosial secara keterlaluan adalh biasa bagi mereka
terengganu mgunakan royalti minyak yg mereka perolehi untuk kemudahan pendidikn anak2 trganu sendiri, bukannya bermegah megah dgn pembinaan megamall.. sebanyak 22 ribu notebook telah diagihkn kpad pelajar darjah 5 seluruh terengganu..mngkn ramai yg menganggap ianya membazir..jika mentaliti kita masih memikirkn begini bangsa melayu kita tak kemana..
At 7:16 PM,
Obefiend said…
ANON
maafa tas generelisation. as mentioned dalam beberapa posting diatas ianya hanya untuk digunakan sebagai contoh kerana Terenganu bukan terdiri dari negeri maju.. bukan berniat menyinggung
tentang komputer riba. saya rasa saya tidak pernah menghina terenganu dalam hal ini. hendak bagi komputer riba bagi lah. cuma ada kes kelakar mingu lepas bila komputer ribu dirampas kerana budak sekolah menjual lagu MJ dari laptop pinjamannya! JHA HAHA
jika benarlah apa yang saudara kata baguslah. biarpun stadium runtuh dan pusat akuatik kena tutup at least pelajaran anak terengganu masih tak terabai. harap harap jangan jadi macam kebiasaan projek di malaysia. pada awal enthusiatic. lama lama bila wang dah tak masyuk program tak ada follow up. itu la masalahnya.
ELS
your view does not take into account that the childre outside of cities still have negligable exposure to english
easy for you to say
"expose it since primary one"
question is.......of from primary one they are not being thogh properly or given the right tools what can you get? this is the grinding issue. as a city dweelr its easy for you to say "start from an early age"
did you even try for a microsecond to get yourself in the shoe of the non city dwellers? try imagining their lifestyle for a second. please.. try just for a second. no english books.. no english papers.. no one speaking english for miles.. no english shows.
in the end the PPMSI only manage to widen the city and kampung divide.. is this what we want. creating social stratification?
btw
is english the be all end all language? if so since when?
again. this reeks elitism from the anglophilic malaysians.
i am an anglophile myself but i cant be selfish and impose a laguage that I LIKE to a majority of people who is struggling with the language due to a myriad of reasons already mentioned.
stop thinking people are as lucky as you when it comes to getting the learning materials.
god save us from the growing elistism of the haves on the have nots
it is really depressing to see people being selfish about the english bullshit.
want to improve english.. fix the english learning method. not impose a language on other subject. this is just ridiculous
JARD
komen kamu mana pula?
SHIRACHAN
"And now that they're switching back to Malay from English, will those aspiring teachers have trouble teaching in Malay what they were taught in BM?"
this is lol............
yeaha greed on your points. the question is will the free TV start airing back english progs? TV3 want 70% of their show to be locally made. the original alasan is to membina identitit bangsa melalui program buatan lokal. tapi takkan semua kena melayu kan?
we only have a handful of locally made english shows. money matters or ringgit sense tak masuk oke! hahaha. GHOST and BLOGGER BOY bole
tapi i think thats like once a week .. TV8 onli
At 8:03 PM,
Anonymous said…
Meh...I blame tv mostly for the English rot. 25 years back, there were 3 channels showing a variety of shows. Like it or not, we ended up watching Malay, English and even a few Chinese & Tamil shows here n there. Now theres Astro with its dedicated channels, Malays watch Malay shows, Chinese have enough channels to drown themselves in Mandarin and Indians are getting there too.
At 8:11 PM,
Obefiend said…
ANON
good observation.
At 11:45 PM,
Brian Kinney said…
I always pray that this will never happen but who am I to vote so when idiots won the majority for the abolition?
Hey idiots, it’s only for two subjects that will be taught in English: Mathematic and Science.
I really feel like washing their brains that have been rusty for ages.
I always feel weird when some people said that by teaching Science and Mathematics in English will give a hard time to the students and worse this great move will lead to the vanishing of Bahasa Melayu which I think purely ridiculous.
When the first time it was introduced, yes we didn’t have a beautiful chart to brag about but after some times, it became better and better each year.
Some people even complaints about there are a lot of problem to those students in the rural. Are you suggesting that we have to move backward to the rural level and stuck there until those students manage to cope with the world? If the rural students want to be success, they don’t have any other choice than to study hard and practice it. If they are entitle to continue study and will be studying abroad, do you think they will still use Bahasa Melayu in other people’s country? You wish.
Most of the reference books are in English. Do you know how hard for the students to translate English-Malay and Malay-English?
As example:
Server (English) = Pelayan (Malay)
Joystick (English) = Batang Ria (Malay)
… and you think it’s good for our future? I have to read the books, remember them in English and then I have to translate to Bahasa Melayu to answer the assignment and exam questions.
Nothing much to say since it’s already been decided. The weird thing I don’t understand is why the oldies fighting for the abolition but the youth are against them? Do they know that this is important to the youth not to them anymore since they are counting days to leave this world soon? Maybe sooner.
Note 1: No wonder some officers in my company can’t speak or write decent English.
Note 2: Congratulation Malaysia.
At 4:25 PM,
rmtouche said…
Speaking of TVP.
TVP penah buat 'shooting' kat sekolah rendah aku utk drama mereka, lulz !
At 4:44 PM,
Safwan said…
Elok la revert blik ajar math n sains in bm. jepun x fhm bi pn terer gak sains. sbb apa? sbb diorg faham konsep and teori n bla3.. not bcoz they understand english. apa2 pn, all book publishers and courseware developers rejoice~ new contracts comin in. :D
At 8:50 PM,
Anonymous said…
It is sheer arrogance (and racist) to think that Science and Maths could only be taught in English. One would think that students would be able to best understand the concepts in S&M in a language they're most familiar with. Language is a medium to learn knowledge and not the other way round; to use knowledge as a medium to learn the language is folly!
Furthermore, one should not equate learning S&M in another language as the cause for bad English. Bad English results from it not being taught properly. This was the root of the problem in the first place; thus to reverse the situation, teach English properly, not teach S&M in English!
At 10:22 PM,
Obefiend said…
ANON
arrogance? to me it's more like low self esteem. still see english as the gold standard to be regarded as BEROTAK
i can speak and write in english. clever i am not.
SAFWAN
ini yang buat orang marah. tahu ada pihak yang bakal jadi riang ria dapat kontrak
tu je
RMTOUCE
were you in it?
BRIAN
inability to speak english is not the fault of the stream. its the fault of not teaching it properly
lets put it this way
i can see ALOT OF MALAYSIAN who have LITTLE grasp and understanding of BASIC HISTORY
they dont even know what happened in WW2 or during the communist emergency
now.. i am a HISTORYPHILE. i love history. i think its shameful that malaysian have such low regards towards the importance of history. now.. i blame the system for this apathy. so must i now do a DEMO and LOBBY for inserting HISTORICAL emelents in Science and Math subjects in the syllabus too?
see what i did there?
why the old guys are against this not the school kids? simple
kids no not about what they want. they are not mature enough to see the bigger picture and the possible problems that lay ahead in their life.it is up to the old guys to pick up the slack since they have better insight to make the right decision.
At 1:56 AM,
nachts said…
oh well, since i have NBTD..
i've some objections to Brian's comments above: if you really need to reply to a person's blog post by pasting your blog post in the comment, please do read what others have said before, ok?
sure, you're free to say whatever, but try to expand the discussion, leaving out points people have talked and agreed (or agreed to disagree), ask new questions that people may be interested to hear... else it would look like you just came out of nowhere and ask random questions, going back to the same discussion we had before ;P
actually, when you reach university level, you're not expected to show that you can translate between terms, but most importantly, you can show that you understand what goes on.. and explain to your audience.
terminologies can be left in the original language, as long as you can explain properly what something does.. i.e, in malay, you may say:
kebiasaannya, sistem komunikasi menggunakan TCP/IP melibatkan satu komputer yg berfungsi menerima permintaan dari komputer lain di dalam network/jaringan/rangkaian digelar sebagai server, dan mana2 komputer yg membuat permintaan kepada server tersebut digelar sebagai klien..
it all depends on the knowledge level of your audience.. if your audience knows very little, you need to explain a lot.. this task shouldn't be a problem if you know what to do to make them understand, regardless of the language you need to use..
i doubt that you're forced to use malay in your exams/assignment if all your study materials are in english.. besides, if you can show that you understand, language isn't a problem..
if you have problems communicating, as what obe put above: it isn't the problem of learning science or math, but your understanding on how to use the language to communicate..
as we talked earlier, they are separate issues.. what should be done is to fix the teaching of english, which does NOT necessarily mean make primary/secondary school science and math learning in english..
as what was also put earlier, if the student cannot be put in an environment that makes him appreciate the language and drive him to learn the subject in english, what's the point of teaching him the subject in english?
think about that!
At 2:02 AM,
Obefiend said…
NBTD
tapi best gak komen
ok people.. move on.. next update at 4:44 am! be there
At 2:07 AM,
BlackHowling said…
Cis. Kekeke. But yeah, kanak2 di felda eventho their parent have lotsa money, they aint getting good exposure like those ppl in the cities. Some of them either worked on the estate or ended up having less oppoturnities to work at the cities (especially kay ell). Sedih gak bila tengok.
At 7:20 AM,
rean said…
Like i said before, what's the fuss with teaching science and maths in english?
hey, japanese, indonesian, dutch, german and french, they learn science and maths in their own mother tongue.
They advanced and they succeed, right? (well..maybe not as much in the term of indonesia, but that is due to bureaucracy, corruption, bla bla bla...)
English is widely use, but not THE language...
At 4:48 PM,
Elsa Asri said…
Is it important which languange we are to learn Math & Science? It's still math and Science. Can the gov just concentrate on educating us, the students? Future leader, my butt! They nvr ask us how we feel. Those ppl who kept complaining Sc and Math in English, majority have finished school. WHAT ABOUT ME?!! I have another 3 years in that hellhole (school). If it was so up to me, I wld just abolish Math and Sc since it's the languange that's more important right? Why don't we just learn BM and BI? That'll make everything a LOT easier right? Sheesh.
At 6:46 PM,
Anonymous said…
pasal jepun terer dlm sains sebab diorg open minded, sanggup menerima perubahan. diorg perang saudara waktu warring state pun dh pakai senjata canggih2. pakai meriam, senapang. diorg belajar sains pada zaman dulu bukan dlm bahasa jepun tapi dlm bahasa asing. la ni skang nih je baru dlm bahasa jepun sebab bahasa jepun dah asimilasi bahasa teknikal.
pasal ppsmi saya berbelah bagi. saya rasa lebih baik math dan sains di ajar dwi-bahasa saja. BI dan BM. utk mengukuhkan perpaduan dan juga mengasimilasikan bahasa teknikal yg terdpt dlm BI ke BM. supaya BM juga buleh berkembang.
Utk mengukuhkan BI dna pelajaran yg lain saya rasa sistem pembelajaran kita zaman ni harus diubah. kita masih lagi tertumpu pada peperiksaan yg lapuk. pergi sekolah cikgu beri nota mana2 topik yg akan masuk upsr, pmr atau spm. pastuh balik hapal pastuh gi sekolah jawab. sistem pendidikan kita haruslah bergantung pada prestasi kita sepanjang kita bersekolah, bukan time periksa je. barulah kita boleh maju.
At 5:25 AM,
StingRay said…
Nak pandai english,mantapkan sahaja bahasa inggeris.
Kenapa perlu korbankan kepakaran tenaga pengajar matematik dan sains dengan mengajar di dalam bahasa inggeris?
Macam mana mereka nak sampaikan penerangan kepada budak-budak di dalam kelas denga berkesan?
Kalau nak bagi budak-budak pandai bahasa inggeris,biar guru bahasa inggeris yang ajar.Mereka lebih arif tentang bahasa inggeris.
Pernah kamu mengajar di sekolah? Pernah kamu melihat keputusan peperiksaan? Pernah kamu tgk macam mana ibu bapa murid-murid sama-sama naik bingung bila ulangkaji di rumah?
Ini malaysia,bukan england.Bukan Amerika.Kalau nak sangat belajar dalam bahasa inggeris,mantapkan dahulu penguasaan bahasa inggeris.
aku pun belajar dalam bahasa melayu jugak....buleh je belajar sains,matematik.Takdanya aku jadi bodoh bengap pun.
Setakat istilah sains dan math tu,tak payah le buat-buat susah.Bukan banyak pun istilahnya.
Merepek-repeklah fakta ko.
Kecoh je lebih.
At 12:39 PM,
Brian Kinney said…
Dear nachts (it's German eh?),
Well, you must be one of the genius then. I did read the whole post and what I have pasted from the blog is not something so-not-similar.
I'd like to counter your comment about language is not a problem. Have you make your own survey regarding this?
Trust me, translating English term from the reference book suggested by the lecturer to Bahasa Melayu which is a must to use in any local university except UITM for assignments and examinations.
Any idea of what ANGKUBAH is? If you don't have any idea, don't you think it's a problem to other student as well? If that is the only term it should be ok but there are thousand if not million terms to be translated.
I still don't see any problem by teaching S&M in English dear.
PPSMI should remain!
P/s: If Obe prefer sarcasm, I'd say I take all his words as fact :)
At 9:34 PM,
nachts said…
to Brian K,
S&M sounds kinky.. XD
and btw, when a person tells you something in sarcasm, they're really trying to state that the reality is the opposite of what is being said.. you just can't say that it is in fact true.. maybe there are some seemingly valid points put, but you're really missing the message being sent.
obviously what you posted isn't similar to effi's post, .. but yours is the 50th+ comment, and reading it reminds me of some of the things we've already discussed within the 50 comments above..
i admit, i do not have empirical evidence that language used for learning makes no difference on how you grasp a subject, as most of the things i say is mostly anecdotal--based on personal experience and others i know (sadly, limited to being in UTP for so long).. so, yes, i'm fortunate enough not to go through translating all terms..
based on my limited understanding of malay math terms, if i'm not mistaken, angkubah = variable, with the other related terms 'pembolehubah' or 'anu' (which has its naughty connotations, but let's digress ;-)..
now i see the points you're trying to make: because all the reference sources are in english, but i'm forced to write in malay, and change terms, it's very cumbersome! and you're saying that PPSMI is the solution?
honestly, i'm thinking you're missing the whole point of PPSMI. PPSMI is what you go through before going to tertiary education. as we've discussed for SO MANY TIMES here, it doesn't matter what language students learn to understand the basics/fundamentals--as long as they understand the concept, they can express it in ways that their audience can understand!
i only see your problem as your inability to communicate your ideas effectively. i do not wish to belittle you, but i would suggest you find ways to improve your grasp of language (both Malay and English). Why? because at your place of studies you're required to do it.
why learn languages instead of math in one specific language? because if you know how languages work, you will not have any problems on moving from one to the other!
you can bet that it is hard work to master a language, but it is worth it! even if you're busy with life, you just have to take the time to hone your language skills..
i would like to congratulate you for taking the time to put up your thoughts in this comments section. this proves that you do try to improve yourself!
i just hope that you are open to other people's opinions, have a thick skin and can endure meaningless internet flamewars.. unlike the r-tards you've seen these past few days...
At 11:08 PM,
Anonymous said…
Cuba bayangkan kalau budak Melayu umur 8 tahun tanya kita, "abang graviti tu apa?". Bahasa apa kita nak jawap supaya dia faham konsep graviti. Bahasa Inggeris? Lagilah tak faham budak tu. Tentulah kita akan beri penerangan dalama bahasa yang budak tu faham. Pasal susahnya bila dia meningkat dewasa kerana banyak istilah-istilah sains menggunakan bahasa Inggeris tidak berasas. Sebabnya kita tak menukar istilah sains ke bahasa Melayu, graviti tetap graviti, bukannya "kuasa menarik", oksigen tetap oksigen bukannya "udara sedut", jadi apa yang sukarnya?
Satu lagi, kalau nak pandai bahasa Inggeris, masuk kelas bahasa Inggerislah, pergi tuisyen Inggeris ke, bukannya pergi belajar matematik pulak, tak ke banggang tuh.
-Koko
At 7:44 AM,
rean said…
*in love with nachts's english...*
LOL~
At 9:00 AM,
Obefiend said…
nice......love it
At 2:41 PM,
els said…
i certainly am not being selfish. when i write the comment i WAS thinking about those poor students from the KAMPUNG n owh mister, before you start formulating a brilliant conclusion here, I AM FROM KAMPUNG. never was a city girl. i had extremely limited resources, so there goes your theory of how lucky i was to be able to learn english as it was nothing but a breeze. i had to work my arse off for years (NOT FOR A MICROSECOND, mind you) to prove that location isn't a reason that will impede one's aspiration to be better in life. i am just furious with these SELFISH so-called educated cohorts who chose a simple solution to solve problems at hand. maybe i sounded a little shallow and emotional earlier but it all stemmed from the nasty experience i had to endure to get to where i am today. and im also not saying this because i am a hard core anglophile at heart like you are sir, i don't speak english with my family and my friends. i only use it when im working or where i deem it is most useful and needful. and i still am learning, correcting every single flaw there is, time and again. all i want is for those children to be given an EQUAL chance, all of them. something that i was NOT lucky enough to have when i was younger. but i thank God nonetheless for every glimmer of chance i was bestowed with, limited or not. anyway, whatever said and done, i will pray that these children will thrive just fine. they're the ones who have to go through all these craps, not me. and certainly not you, sir. thank you.
At 1:24 PM,
Anonymous said…
Saya salah seorg yg bernasib baik/buruk yg belajar Sains dan Math dlm bahasa Melayu.
Ini kerana waktu SPM saya mendapat A dlm subjek SAins dan Math. Cuma apabila masuk universiti saya mendapat kejutan atau cultural shock. semua lecturer menggunakan Bahasa Inggeris sebagai Bahasa pengantar. saya terpaksa berusaha keras utk memahami apa yg diajar oleh lecturer. ini menyebabkan saya terfikir bagaimana pelajar luar negeri bertahan dgn perubahan ini.
PPSMI bukan perkara yg buruk, cuma cara dilaksanakan agak terburu-buru. akhirnya PPSMI juga dihentikan dgn terburu-buru. akhirnya yg terjejas pelajar negara kita. DIULANGI, pelajar NEGARA KITA.
Bayangkan pelajar tingkatan 2 dan ke bawah belajar S&M dlm bahasa inggeris selama ini terpaksa memahami term2 S&M dlm bahasa melayu seperti contoh yg telah diberikan, ANGKUBAH. saya sendiri pun tak tahu apa makna perkataan itu sehingga hari ini.
At 1:24 PM,
Anonymous said…
Saya salah seorg yg bernasib baik/buruk yg belajar Sains dan Math dlm bahasa Melayu.
Ini kerana waktu SPM saya mendapat A dlm subjek SAins dan Math. Cuma apabila masuk universiti saya mendapat kejutan atau cultural shock. semua lecturer menggunakan Bahasa Inggeris sebagai Bahasa pengantar. saya terpaksa berusaha keras utk memahami apa yg diajar oleh lecturer. ini menyebabkan saya terfikir bagaimana pelajar luar negeri bertahan dgn perubahan ini.
PPSMI bukan perkara yg buruk, cuma cara dilaksanakan agak terburu-buru. akhirnya PPSMI juga dihentikan dgn terburu-buru. akhirnya yg terjejas pelajar negara kita. DIULANGI, pelajar NEGARA KITA.
Bayangkan pelajar tingkatan 2 dan ke bawah belajar S&M dlm bahasa inggeris selama ini terpaksa memahami term2 S&M dlm bahasa melayu seperti contoh yg telah diberikan, ANGKUBAH. saya sendiri pun tak tahu apa makna perkataan itu sehingga hari ini.
At 1:24 PM,
Anonymous said…
Saya salah seorg yg bernasib baik/buruk yg belajar Sains dan Math dlm bahasa Melayu.
Ini kerana waktu SPM saya mendapat A dlm subjek SAins dan Math. Cuma apabila masuk universiti saya mendapat kejutan atau cultural shock. semua lecturer menggunakan Bahasa Inggeris sebagai Bahasa pengantar. saya terpaksa berusaha keras utk memahami apa yg diajar oleh lecturer. ini menyebabkan saya terfikir bagaimana pelajar luar negeri bertahan dgn perubahan ini.
PPSMI bukan perkara yg buruk, cuma cara dilaksanakan agak terburu-buru. akhirnya PPSMI juga dihentikan dgn terburu-buru. akhirnya yg terjejas pelajar negara kita. DIULANGI, pelajar NEGARA KITA.
Bayangkan pelajar tingkatan 2 dan ke bawah belajar S&M dlm bahasa inggeris selama ini terpaksa memahami term2 S&M dlm bahasa melayu seperti contoh yg telah diberikan, ANGKUBAH. saya sendiri pun tak tahu apa makna perkataan itu sehingga hari ini.
At 6:31 AM,
CremeBrulee said…
Hey all! I'm a bit late here, by a month odd I should think, but here's my take on it:
It's not the language we're being taught in. It's that we're not being taught. Or more precisely, we're not being taught to learn.
I believe it's this asian obsession with doing well in exams that's got people getting in trouble when they're in college. They've been so focused on regurgitating spoonfed information all these years, that they just forgot how to think.
Oh man, I've met SO many of those; Perfect on paper, straight A type dickfaces who wouldn't be able to tell you that the network connection cable is unplugged when the computer just said "Network Cable Unplugged".
I'm pretty sure I had a point I wanted to expound, but it's lost now. Gone, into the vast nether.
But I'm sure we need to teach people to learn. Not just answer stupid exams.
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